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Entertainment originally was intended and does preserve culture. Specifically cultural ideals which is why there often is a element of romanticism. Like just look at the story telling culture around Greek mythology. I doesn't get more romantic than that but at the same time those stories serve as indicators or what the culture valued at that time.

Granted some modern day romantic novels/comedies leave a lot to be wanted but there are some great ones out there than have creativity and thought behind them and people can relate to them because they say something about the human condition. And who knows, maybe some people can relate to those silly, purely-for-enjoyment romantic comedies. Who care's if they're accurate or not and I don't think any one person has the right to say what someone else should enjoy or not. Just because aspects of our modern day entertainment are commodified, doesn't mean the whole thing is. You can't throw the baby out with the bath water!

Also in regards to your weeabos thing and people who make misconceptions about Japan or whatever based on anime, you have to remember a lot of those people are young kids. Give them a break, most will grow out of it. I don't know if you've noticed by at certain age, kids love to become obsessed and totally immersed in something from the entertainment culture. Also I don't think the creators or animes always intend to send a message about Japanese culture via the anime, so if you can watch anime (as I feel I do now) with a little more maturity than a young kid, I think you can safely enjoy them for what they are. By and large I think most people can enjoy anime responsibly.

You do have a very good point. Personally, I feel expression should be free. I feel every single god damn aspect of life should be free. However, I want expression to be a means of communication rather than a means of experience. In a society where direct experience exists, why would there be a need for proxy experience? Perhaps I am a bit of a hypocrite because I do enjoy video games. But then again, John Zerzan, a prominent anarcho-primitivist was caught was Smucker's jelly. However, I would rather be a world-traveling, free-loving hippie. The only problem is that I am a slave. The bourgeoise are more effective at getting you to work by getting you to stay in one place. I do not mind people watching anime. Perhaps I mind enjoy an anime or two myself in the near future. However, if you prefer anime to directly lived life, shame on you.

Sure there's not substitute for real life experience. And I'm sure there are some minority out there who live vicariously through various mediums of entertainment including anime. But entertainment also serves a purpose of escapism. The escapist quality of entertainment today revolves around that fact that we can for while distract ourselves from the stresses or issues in our own lives and be immersed in someone else's plot or the fact while I may never want or be able to experience X I can get a sense of what X would be like via entertainment (such as movies, animes or music). I don't think there's anything wrong with this, if we didn't have a means of escapism in Industrialized culture we'd likely all go insane with stress.

Also I think today's culture is a lot more complicated than the bourgeoise-proletariat dichotomy used in the past. You're not a slave by the way. Even though there is the macro structure of our society that has certain institutions in place that perpetuate the system we have now, you also have your individual free will and agency to decide if you want to continue with the system or not. There isn't much stopping you from saving up some money and quit you job and go do your traveling hippie thing. You can't deny to some degree you are actively choosing to stay within and participate in this system. And to some degree, yes it is because we believe/ or actually do need certain material things to function in this society but you obviously cannot say you are brainwashed into it. At the end of the day, you have your agency make decisions according to how you see fit. Don't get me wrong, I would actually love a simpler way of life but the fact is I wake up every day and make the choice to continue in this society as it exists. And if a little entertainment can make me feel better about that personal dilemma for a while, then I'll take it.

Of course you could just resist society. But that would create isolation which the end of it is the very reason for resisting society. It wouldn't change s**t either. Capitalism was the thing Marx hated the very most of all, however, he didn't just leave it. He tried to change it.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/kropotkin-peter/1895/settlement.htm
Perhaps some relevant information. It's not too long, it's only about slightly longer than everything I've said in this discussion so far.


Now you're talking like there's only one type of society. I meant what is stopping you from moving to a different country or region where there no capitalism? Even in socialist countries there is entertainment. And frankly look at the past societies that have tried socialism, didn't turn out too well did they? Not saying capitalist societies don't have their problems, but socialism is harder to employ successfully. And frankly, on a personal note I would never go for outright socialism. If you think capitalism is controlling you have no idea what socialism can and has lead to.

Never said I liked that variety of state socialism. I hate Stalin's variety of communism about as much as I hate our own society. You see, I am an anarchist. I believe in the system of ANARCHO-communism. But there is no such place I can move to. Somalia hasn't fully realized the power of mutual aid and how it can fix up that hellhole and set an example for the rest of the world. Exploitation not only comes from our bosses but also politicians of any sort. Had Russia foregone the Lenin step, maybe the country wouldn't have had all its poverty due to the Russian Civil War and the Cold War.


What in god's name is anarcho-communism? Who coined that? Isn't anarchy by definition a rejection of organized government? I have to say I whole heartedly reject your ideal political view. I'm not sure what the appeal is...
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Sure there's not substitute for real life experience. And I'm sure there are some minority out there who live vicariously through various mediums of entertainment including anime. But entertainment also serves a purpose of escapism. The escapist quality of entertainment today revolves around that fact that we can for while distract ourselves from the stresses or issues in our own lives and be immersed in someone else's plot or the fact while I may never want or be able to experience X I can get a sense of what X would be like via entertainment (such as movies, animes or music). I don't think there's anything wrong with this, if we didn't have a means of escapism in Industrialized culture we'd likely all go insane with stress.

Also I think today's culture is a lot more complicated than the bourgeoise-proletariat dichotomy used in the past. You're not a slave by the way. Even though there is the macro structure of our society that has certain institutions in place that perpetuate the system we have now, you also have your individual free will and agency to decide if you want to continue with the system or not. There isn't much stopping you from saving up some money and quit you job and go do your traveling hippie thing. You can't deny to some degree you are actively choosing to stay within and participate in this system. And to some degree, yes it is because we believe/ or actually do need certain material things to function in this society but you obviously cannot say you are brainwashed into it. At the end of the day, you have your agency make decisions according to how you see fit. Don't get me wrong, I would actually love a simpler way of life but the fact is I wake up every day and make the choice to continue in this society as it exists. And if a little entertainment can make me feel better about that personal dilemma for a while, then I'll take it.

Of course you could just resist society. But that would create isolation which the end of it is the very reason for resisting society. It wouldn't change s**t either. Capitalism was the thing Marx hated the very most of all, however, he didn't just leave it. He tried to change it.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/kropotkin-peter/1895/settlement.htm
Perhaps some relevant information. It's not too long, it's only about slightly longer than everything I've said in this discussion so far.


Now you're talking like there's only one type of society. I meant what is stopping you from moving to a different country or region where there no capitalism? Even in socialist countries there is entertainment. And frankly look at the past societies that have tried socialism, didn't turn out too well did they? Not saying capitalist societies don't have their problems, but socialism is harder to employ successfully. And frankly, on a personal note I would never go for outright socialism. If you think capitalism is controlling you have no idea what socialism can and has lead to.

Never said I liked that variety of state socialism. I hate Stalin's variety of communism about as much as I hate our own society. You see, I am an anarchist. I believe in the system of ANARCHO-communism. But there is no such place I can move to. Somalia hasn't fully realized the power of mutual aid and how it can fix up that hellhole and set an example for the rest of the world. Exploitation not only comes from our bosses but also politicians of any sort. Had Russia foregone the Lenin step, maybe the country wouldn't have had all its poverty due to the Russian Civil War and the Cold War.


What in god's name is anarcho-communism? Who coined that? Isn't anarchy by definition a rejection of organized government? I have to say I whole heartedly reject your ideal political view. I'm not sure what the appeal is...

I'm not exactly sure how you can criticize something you don't understand. If you're going to attempt a legit criticism of something, drawing conclusions as soon as you hear the word sure does not help. And if you can't Wikipedia that s**t, you're lazy. Basically, anarchy is the rejection of leaders, and communism does not always refer to some "oh mah gawd the state is takin everything from us!" bullshit. Communism by this definition is the sharing of goods. Basically anarcho-communism is based off the principle of free consumption and voluntary production.
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Thank you for taking the time to carefully critique the article. I love the attention to detail you've made. Although, as of this moment I do not have a refutal, you have got me thinking. I do believe I may be mistaken, but I think Socrates and Epicurus have both discussed this important philosophical issue before.
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So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

I have to deal with life everyday. The Navy isn't that easy, man. There's bullshit everyday.
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So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

I have to deal with life everyday. The Navy isn't that easy, man. There's bullshit everyday.

I surely hope you don't have a reason for joining the Navy other than getting free collegez. Duty to my country my a**.
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So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

I have to deal with life everyday. The Navy isn't that easy, man. There's bullshit everyday.

I surely hope you don't have a reason for joining the Navy other than getting free collegez. Duty to my country my a**.


No I didn't join for no ******** college! I don't even want to get back to school b***h. And to think that most people don't even get to go to college because they arre dying for your country! Don't ******** say some stupid s**t like that! I could die at any time for this country and you wanna say it's for money for ******** college! Don't ******** make me laugh you son of a b***h! Just to think that you would think that's how it is for every single person who's joined the military. Tell me are you in the military? Is someone you know in the military? Unless you know what it's like? Don't ******** critisize us! We are the ones who keep you ******** free a*****e!!!
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So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

Then "vacation" wouldn't exist.
I don't like this "everything is free". I like earning things- working for it. Not skipping through fields and having everything of my desire for free.
Life would be so boring if it was a vacation. Nothing to strive for.
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So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

I have to deal with life everyday. The Navy isn't that easy, man. There's bullshit everyday.

I surely hope you don't have a reason for joining the Navy other than getting free collegez. Duty to my country my a**.


No I didn't join for no ******** college! I don't even want to get back to school b***h. And to think that most people don't even get to go to college because they arre dying for your country! Don't ******** say some stupid s**t like that! I could die at any time for this country and you wanna say it's for money for ******** college! Don't ******** make me laugh you son of a b***h! Just to think that you would think that's how it is for every single person who's joined the military. Tell me are you in the military? Is someone you know in the military? Unless you know what it's like? Don't ******** critisize us! We are the ones who keep you ******** free a*****e!!!

My dad was in the military. Calm your self-righteousness the ******** down. I am surrounded by people who say such s**t. Be skeptical for once. Have you ever bothered to examine the underlying causes for every war World War I onward? It wasn't for freedom. It was to save our own a** from people from other countries trying to do something about our ruthless imperialism. Americans feel so justified in their efforts to spread democracy and free enterprise around the world so they can use their newly conquered colonies for cheap labor to exploit. Hell, the Iraq War wasn't even about Al-Qaeda. Bush used everybody's post-9/11 fears for an excuse to invade Iraq. The real reason we invaded Iraq is because Hussein cockblocked us from their oil supply. Oh how unjust it is to cut our businesses off their precious foreign that they can have an excuse to overprice! Next time, instead of reacting like some preconditioned tool, why don't you give me a reason to support this bullshit war.
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So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

Then "vacation" wouldn't exist.
I don't like this "everything is free". I like earning things- working for it. Not skipping through fields and having everything of my desire for free.
Life would be so boring if it was a vacation. Nothing to strive for.

In such a society, the motive for productive activity would arise from the lack of obligation to work. In fact, productive activity might actually be enjoyable instead of being work. As Bob Black said, "Play is always voluntary. What might otherwise be play is work if it's forced."
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So your telling me to stay away from the TV completely...
Yea, not happening, I rather like where I'm at in life and I do deal with life, anime is like a vacation when you can't have a REAL vacation.

What if life was a vacation?

Then "vacation" wouldn't exist.
I don't like this "everything is free". I like earning things- working for it. Not skipping through fields and having everything of my desire for free.
Life would be so boring if it was a vacation. Nothing to strive for.

In such a society, the motive for productive activity would arise from the lack of obligation to work. In fact, productive activity might actually be enjoyable instead of being work. As Bob Black said, "Play is always voluntary. What might otherwise be play is work if it's forced."

Work would still be obligatory.
If we go to that world- we would have to work on growing/getting food, getting water, making clothes, etc.
Hunting and gathering and all that.
Then people will begin getting too lazy or the lack of time to hunt and gather for food, make their own clothes, get their own water, so they end up paying someone else to do it.
And then employment begins again.

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